cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/1097575
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- 42 minutes
There are a lot of “who gives them the money” posts here - and on a basic level they’re right.
But there’s also the part where these companies were spearheading climate research initially - and instead of trying to pivot into renewable energy they doubled down on oil, muddied the waters in discussions by first denying global warming and then when that didn’t work out anymore, emphasizing scientific uncertainty, lobbied against environmental regulations, and shifted blame to the individual.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish33 minutes
they also used more subversive tactics, like funding certain companies, into convincing peopel to buy thier eco friendly products, or those “protesters that have been defacing public property”
- HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish5 hours
Spoiler alert: if we weren’t 8 billion and fertilized our crops with fossil fuels, then we wouldn’t need that much fossil energy…
Yes, it’s you. It’s me. It’s your 5 kids. The oil didn’t pump itself out of the ground and set itself on fire for fun.
It’s your plane trip, it’s your military, it’s your proxy wars.
- REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish5 hours
Whenever I see posts like this, I really don’t understand if people really think they produce oil/gas/fuel/food packaging, etc. for themselves.
If someone offers a money for a product, there will be someone else willing to sell it to you. You are the consumer.
Think of it like this - a electricity company generates electricity, as much as it’s needed for current demand. I’m the final consumer, the demander, the reason infrastructure exists. And I shall be happy burning my RTX 5080 while looking into ACs to cool the room from that PC at the same time, hitting 2kW usage just so I can do nothing and game, because who cares. I tried living green, but when you see MFs producing more footprint in their shitty trucks in a day than you do in a month using Ebike, and people still decide to blame some placeholder instead of our own society and way of living, then it’s quite clear nothing will change and it’s a lost cause.
- REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish5 hours
You’re confused.
The money comes from you. I welcome you to no longer use a car and walk to the job. Poof, suddenly their profit falls. Multiply that by a society, and suddenly much of these firms can no longer exist.
The question has always been about how much humans are willing to sacrifice to save the earth, and the answer has pretty much always been “best I can do is blame a placeholder (some CEO/company, doesn’t matter which one, because it’s just demand from society and there will always be new companies as long as there is demand from you and me) and assume it’s 100% their fault”
Don’t get me wrong, this isn’t really an individual problem, it’s how society/humans work. We’d vote for someone who speaks against oil, but hang them as soon as the oil price goes above 5$
- 4 hours
I don’t own a gasoline car you fool
I want the price of oil to be $2028 a gallon
- REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish3 hours
Right, but why are you ready to live green when 8 out of 10 people would take the cheaper oil that you didn’t buy? Just keep doing whatever you like, we don’t matter on the grand scheme of things.
- 9 hours
Remember, their families got rich by fucking our families over.
We need to stop pretending they’re on our side because they are our enemies.
- SapphironZA@sh.itjust.worksEnglish14 hours
Put a garnishing order on their past 50 years of profits. All proceeds go to infrastructure investments for the developing world in climate mitigation and food security.
- humanspiral@lemmy.caEnglish11 hours
take their money
absolutely essential. Oil, weapons, media, zionists destroy election integrity through treasonous fraud. They all collude and support each other to boot. When SCC says money is speach, money is fraud, treason, and oppression. Take it away from the traitorous oppressors.
13 hoursAnd God said “LET CORPORATIONS DESTROY THE PLANET AND ERADICATE ALL LIFE”.
Guess this is the modern alternative to the flood.
- Lemminary@lemmy.worldEnglish6 hours
Not even secondarily, imo, but like thirdly and fourthly. A lot of people don’t have the option to not drive. I’d say it’s a sad privilege to have a reliable public transportation system.
- 8 hours
I’d say it goes a bit deeper than us.
It’s “us” because we keep voting for, and alongside, the people fucking us over. We like to blame the ruling class for buying our government, but it’s the stupid-ass workers that keep being herded like sheep and getting mad at anyone who calls it out.
In essence, most people deserve the state of the world because most people did nothing to stop it because they didn’t want to look bad in front of their idiot peers.
Anyone who legitimately fought back gets my condolences, but that certainly isn’t most of us.
I thought it is me, because I’m Not recycling hard enough. Puh, got lucky here /s
- BillCheddar@lemmy.worldEnglish16 hours
We ought to seize all the top companies.
They’re just holding companies. They don’t make anything. They don’t produce anything. They just bleed off a kick, like a mob boss, and use those gains to amass political power.
Seize them all and use the assets (and annual profits) to fund American society.
- Limonene@lemmy.worldEnglish13 hours
Congress. For not taxing carbon emissions according to the damage they cause.
(And other countries’ legislatures, but as an American voter, I first need to hold my own legislature responsible.)
I first need to hold my own legislature responsible
Don’t think that’s really a thing in America anymore.
It’s just a vibe I get. It may have something to do with felon rapist pedophiles running the legislature.
Wait but I always say “Thanks ExxonMobil” sarcastically but this looks like I should be thanking Shell?
Shell also dodge paying fair taxes. https://www.ftm.eu/articles/shell-shifted-billions-in-profits-to-tax-havens-leaked-files-reveal
