• qarbone@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2 months

    What was there before “causation”? That single word has notably different formatting

    • FundMECFS@piefed.zipEnglish
      2 months

      correlation, which is innacurrate for the point OOP was trying to make

  • laserm@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2 months

    Here everyone can afford insurance since it’s mandatory and tied to your paycheck

  • iegod@lemmy.zipEnglish
    2 months

    In the civilized world, you don’t need to struggle for health care.

    • heartSagan5@lemmy.zipEnglish
      2 months

      I guess the US is not a civilized world. Makes sense since they had “gladiator-like” fights on the South Lawn.

  • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2 months

    Why is the word “causation” photoshopped on? What word was there originally that would have changed the meaning enough to warrant pasting a different word there?

    • modus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2 months

      Owning and Maintaining a horse is expensive. So is private health insurance. Most Americans can’t afford either.

  • gilesroberts@feddit.ukEnglish
    2 months

    In the UK where everyone has decent basic health care on average you live 2 years shorter if you own a horse. It’s worse than riding a motorcycle (1 year shorter). It turns out that owning a big animal that will kick you if you look at it funny or throw you off if it gets startled by a packet of crisps in the road isn’t that great for your health.

  • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2 months

    People who live longer:

    People who drink a glass of wine every night.

    People who buy organic and cook whole foods at home.

    People who spend 30+ minutes a day being activr/at the gym.

    People who get 9+ hours of sleep every night.

    People who have less chronic stress.

    People who get regular checkups/screenings at the doctor.

    So… rich people that have the time and can afford to do all of those things or have them done for them.

    • Naive@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2 months

      How does wine taste? I really wanna taste wine before I die.

        • Naive@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2 months

          Well I don’t wanna live longer. I wanna enjoy everything in this life before I die.

            • Naive@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2 months

              Well I don’t think so cuz it is forced upon us, rather than our conscious choice. For rich, there is no problem though. They drink and party. These laws are implemented only on poor and middle class.

              • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2 months

                No I just meant I think that wanting to experience life rather than needlessly restricting yourself of everything “unhealthy” to try and gain another day without these experiences is a good philosophy.

                I understand that you are not the one deciding to restrict yourself in this case. That and the unequal enforcement of the law on the rich are both another thing entirely and complete bullshit.

                Hope you get the opportunity to enjoy more out of life, buddy.

    • Devial@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2 months

      The glass of wine is likely due to a selection bias in Tea Total people. Most people who are completely sober, are so either because they are recovering alcoholics, or have other health issues.

      Most people who are healthy and have no prior alcoholism issues drink at least occasionaly, which introduces a selection bias favouring people with health issues as strict non drinkers, which causes not drinking at all to be correlated with worse health than drinking occasionally.

        • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2 months

          because they can’t afford it. prices are up, incomes are down. Gen Z starting incomes aren’t much higher than the start incomes of people from 10-20 year ago, but booze prices are triple what they were, i’ve actually seen them start to come down recently because well, even older folks can’t afford $20 cocktails or $20 four packs of beer. when I was 25 $20 got you a 24 pack of craft beer. or a 48 of the cheap shit.

          • novibe@lemmy.mlEnglish
            2 months

            That might have something to do with it. But gen-z seems to have more a purity culture than millennials and gen-x had.

            Many are very into exercise and fitness from a very young age. Control their diets. Sleep super early, get up early.

            They are going less to clubs (and shitty dive bars). Doing less drugs. Having less sex.

            You can say its all because of money. But broke teenagers and young adults of previous generations had their fun, went out, destroyed their bodies. You know, it can be REALLY cheap to get fucked up and well, get fucked or fuck.

            • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2 months

              it’s not cheap to get fucked up anymore. it’s not cheap to go out, all this tracks.

              gyms however, are still cheap.

              no idea what you are on about purity. i just know a lot of 22 year olds at my work who are broke and live at home. they are ‘boring’ and ‘pure’ because they don’t have much other choice. they can’t afford to party. they’d like to, but when you make 2-3K a month, spending $200 going out on a saturday night at a bar isn’t exactly affordable.

              sex rates also correlate highly to economic conditions. nobody fucks and has babies when it’s economically tough, and when we have good economy there is a baby boom and the marriage rate spikes.

              • novibe@lemmy.mlEnglish
                2 months

                You think people in their late teens and early 20s in the past fucked more cause they thought “ah if I have a kid it’s no issue, I can support them!”?..

                Also come on… it is really cheap to get fucked up. There is really cheap booze. Really cheap weed. Really cheap drugs in general really.

                And you know, you pre-game, go to a dive bar during live music night or some shit. Meet some new people, make mistakes, make memories you’ll only re-remember at the most inconvenient moments.

                Go to a rave. They are really cheap and md has not become anymore expensive throughout the years.

                Actually, this is something that the more I think about is true. Drugs are some of the few things that haven’t really increased in price at all.

                Getting fucked up is one of the few things you can do as a young person that has DECREASED in comparative cost.

                Camping with friends and taking lsd and shrooms, raving and taking md, going to a dive bar and smoking weed… its all CHEAPER now, comparatively.

                • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  2 months

                  I don’t think it, it’s a statistical fact. It’s a stat that’s tracked for decades across many countries. The numbers don’t lie.

                  All you are doing is arguing anecdotally. The peopel going to raves/clubs are wealthy, and wealthy peopel fuck a lot, sure, but that’snot hte majority of people.

                  the average person in the usa has 7 partners in a lifetime. a lot of wealthy party kids have like 70. i have over 30 myself, but I understand I’m not normal, and the people I was socializing with when I was in my 20s also were not normal, they were richer than me and had a lot more sex than me. but i understand my anecdotal experience is not what how your average person lives their life.

        • tmyakal@infosec.pubEnglish
          2 months

          OP is referring to the j-curve historically seen in studies about drinking. Because researchers didn’t control for people who stopped drinking after years of abuse or people who couldn’t drink because of other health issues, it looked like having 0 drinks per day led to worse health outcomes than 1-2 drinks per day. Because of that, many health organizations spent decades telling people that 1-2 drinks per day was better for you than 0 drinks per day.

          Someone finally controlled for those variables a few years ago, and the j-curve vanished. Most health organizations now say they’re is no amount of alcohol that is safe to consume.

          So it’s got nothing to do with Gen Z drinking habit specifically, and the science has been corrected since. But a lot of people still internalized and parrot the “1-2 drinks is healthy” thing.

          • jdr@lemmy.mlEnglish
            2 months

            No amount of alcohol is safe? Is that like saying no amount of driving is safe?

            • Dave@lemmy.nzEnglish
              2 months

              Sure. Any driving you do increases your risk of death. But it’s likely you need to drive for other reasons that reduce your risk of death (like buying food).

              Drinking is different because no one needs to drink.

              • jdr@lemmy.mlEnglish
                2 months

                Haha, ymmv but I find driving to be unnecessary

                • Dave@lemmy.nzEnglish
                  2 months

                  Yes but this depends significantly on where you live.

    • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2 months

      i grew up poor and did most of those things, except from the organic whole foods stuff, which didn’t even exist where i lived.

      you don’t have to be rich rich, you just have to have free time and good habits. and lots of poor people have lots of free time and very bad habits.

  • bedwyr@piefed.caEnglish
    2 months

    Everyone that isn’t a tool already realizes the differences between causation and correlation.

    Granted those that realize this already are not perhaps even a majority now int eh US.

    • average [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      2 months

      In my experience horse people tend to be like motorsports people. Usually it’s a family thing and the basic needs for entry into the hobby are already met by the generational involvement in the activity.