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- _Nemo_@lemmy.mlEnglish6 days
“Using free Chinese models that you can run locally and offline is a security risk. People and businesses high on AI should be forced to use our expensive cloud-based models that funnel all their data through our servers and can be turned off or price-hiked by us at any moment!”
- partofthevoice@lemmy.zipEnglish6 days
Trade secrets, too. Frontier providers have everything they need to help you, take what worked, then help your competitors.
- b161@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish5 days
“Trust us! We’re a bunch of deranged genocidal pedophiles who want to put all the poors in death camps! We’re the good guys!”
- terabyterex@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
this article doesnt address local models. this is about kimmi k3. i had to look because its very hard to restrict local ran software
- 6 days
kimi k3 is going to release on huggingface tomorrow. it will be open weight, assuming nothing gets between now and then. they just wanted a short exclusivity period.
- zwerg@feddit.orgEnglish6 days
I get what you are saying, but its not just data egress, its how the model was trained. I’m thinking of models trained to inject security weaknesses, for example.
- ApeNo1@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
I see no reason US based AI companies would not carry the same risk especially with the well documented cases of groups like the NSA openly asking US technology companies to provide back doors.
- zwerg@feddit.orgEnglish6 days
For sure, that’s why I dont trust any of them. Its interesting because unlike open source, open weight models don’t tell you anything about what was included or excluded.
- 4am@lemmy.zipEnglish6 days
Yes, rather we trust the capitalists who want to literally remove technology from our control and force us to use their cloud and their AI models that are built on good old American ingenuity and honesty, trust me bro you’re better off looking for weaknesses in our models by spending on tokens to see what happens .
Not everything China does is a psyop.
- cmhe@lemmy.worldEnglish5 days
Oh, just wait when all these AI companies ask for a government bailout… Free market in action…
- JTode@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
Never has it been more clear what Capitalism is. It has fuckall to do with freedom and everything to do with sharecropping.
- 5 days
According to Karl Marx, this is what capitalism becomes. Eventually, the ownership class captures government and turns regulation to benefit the companies that capture it, and those companies outside that loop cannot compete and die off.
And then it gets to where one player owns all the properties and the other players are going bankrupt one by one.
But US history shows us the capitalist will exploit labor by any means they can, ultimately pushing them into bonded servitude. (We don’t like to call it slavery, but it’s slavery.)
- ExFed@programming.devEnglish6 days
The current economic regime is less like “capitalism” and more like “feudalism with corporations.”
- JTode@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
That depends on what you are calling Capitalism. I’m all for free markets and such, but Capitalism was never anti-feudal - first thing the Burghers did was marry their kids into Noble families. It was strictly about adding “man with enough money that he doesn’t work” to the protected class.
- terabyterex@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
it has nothing to do with either. its about private ownership. thats it. thats all it has ever been and thinking the government owning companies is better is silly.
6 daysThe government owning companies is better as shown by the countless examples of product and service degradation and inflation following privatization campaigns in the UK, Canada and elsewhere.
- 5 days
Young companies innovate. Old companies litigate
If you have to lobby the government to protect your company from smaller competition then your business model sucks.
I suspect, however, that they’re not going to be able to just stop Chinese offerings from being downloaded and run locally. And that is going to do most of the stuff for which people are turning to AI.
Exactly. It’s much easier to regulate an API than software people can download and run on their own hardware.
OnceSince capable open weight AI models exist, they spread much like Linux or other open source software: mirrors appear, forks emerge, and improvements compound. Governments can make access less convenient, but preventing global distribution altogether is a far harder problem than restricting a hosted service.
Classic mega corporations. Unable to adapt and innovate, so they just acquire smaller competitors, and lobby to get the bigger ones banned. It’s depressing how often it works out perfectly for them.
Using security as a convenient tool to sideline foreign competition is a slippery slope, especially from companies that built their own success on open research.
- BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
“Security” is the go-to excuse for every atrocity under capitalism.
- WanderingThoughts@europe.pubEnglish6 days
Untill you want to protect consumers from something capitalists are doing. Then it’s all about not limiting innovation. In reality , innovation translates into additional fees, subscriptions, dynamic pricing and that kind of stuff.
- phutatorius@lemmy.zipEnglish6 days
In a competitive market, there’d no longer be a US auto industry, except Tesla, and it wouldn’t survive much longer without massive subsidies.
Perhaps. The difference with regard to OWAI, however, is that US companies have no alternatives to Chinese suppliers.
- RabbitBBQ@lemmy.worldEnglish5 days
They have also been claiming Chinese models are stealing their work and intellectual property by distilling the frontier models. Which is ironic considering they stole the works of all of humanity to create it in the first place.
- brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
Funnily enough, OpenAI signed the open weights letter too.
Sam Altman would do literally anything, say anything to make OpenAI look good. He would sacrifice his grandmother if he could, and I’m not one to say that lightly.
There’s a solid video that describes in good detail what kind of person he is. It’s probably the exact kind you expect, but now you have reliable sources for it!
Because they can’t compete.
Tick-tock, motherfuckers.
https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-subprime-data-center-crisis/
- melfie@lemmy.zipEnglish6 days
“OpenAI” signed the open weight pledge, which only makes sense given the company name and original values. They’ve had gpt-oss for quite a while, but it feels like a pretty half-assed effort for the purposes of virtue signaling. I’m not holding my breath for them to release an open weight model on par with GLM, Kimi, or Qwen.
- boonhet@sopuli.xyzEnglish6 days
They’ve abandoned their openness ever since they saw the widespread success of ChatGPT and GPT3. They were really only "Open"AI around the GPT-GPT2 era.
That’s not necessary: as the Open Weight AI models from the US are rather poor, nobody wants them anyway. 🤷
- Rioting Pacifist@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
You’re in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t. Not without your help. But you’re not helping.
you’re not helping! Why is that?
“Think of the children!!”
Just turn the internet tube from china-ai off, how can it be that hard?!!
- terabyterex@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
jensen knows the future is local ai. his new consumer ai chips coming out this year will hurt openai/anthropic. most people font need data center level ai
- terabyterex@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
these. there are some good youtibe videos on it. every pc manufacturer from dell to asus, msi etc that will have mkdels https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/ai-on-rtx/
Oh that rings a bell now. It sounds like they won’t be super fast for serious local work but they would be an interesting alt to AMD’s unified memory platform.
- terabyterex@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
we will see, but remember, this is the start. you cant argue that nvidia builds good hardware
