13 hoursI bet we’re 1 generation away from cheap “clones” with (pure) Linux on them.
What do people need? A A57 octo core, 8GB RAM, 256/512GB storage, and a 100€ screen…
Throw in the usual stuff (sim, gps/galileo, wifi, bt) plus maybe a card reader, swappable batteries, audio jack for us nerds out there and the craze can be done with.
300€ from china (made in eu/us for 1100€ coming next decade)…
Good or bad, I see it coming! (Just after the linux desktop 😁?)
Um. Isn’t this what people already do? Phone comes with contract. You don’t own it.
- 11 hours
I’ve had ten phones since 1997 and never done it like that.
- orgrinrt@lemmy.worldEnglish12 hours
I don’t know many personally that choose the installment contracts, but I can see it can be convenient for some. But “you don’t own it” only applies to that case, which from my point of view, seems the rarer case than just you know, buying it.
- 13 hours
Rent your phone so you can rent an app that’ll allow you to access your internet banking and pay for all the rents, including the rental of payment services for rental paying?
No, thanks, I’ll cut through this whole Rube-Goldberg machinery of “living in society”, straight into applying for a leasing for my next six-feet-under wooden house instead. I’d love the view, grass and chrysanthema at my roof, buzzards as my faithful company (whether it’ll be part of the legalese leasing terms or not, Mother Nature doesn’t care about that, and neither do I as I’d be long gone (or should I say, long bones) at that point).
- ragas@lemmy.mlEnglish1 day
I waited 8 year to get a newer phoner that was better than my previous phone in all respects at the same price. And even then it was mostly a convenience upgrade because my old phone was still working well.
Why the hell would it be worth it to lease a phone?
- 1 day
It depends a lot on how heavily you use your phones. I’m a heavy user and my batteries degrade heavily in 2-3 years. That leads to overheating, poor performance, and of course poor battery life.
The cost of replacing a battery is high for most phones. Sometimes higher than buying a new phone at a similar level of performance.
I’m doing 1-2 battery cycles per day. A light user might go through battery cycles at a quarter of my rate, and would not have those problems.
- partofthevoice@lemmy.zipEnglish16 hours
Right to repair solves that, by mandating against designs which make simple replacements exorbitantly expensive for no good reason.
- Darkenfolk@sh.itjust.worksEnglish12 hours
Seeing is believing, they probably find some loophole to fuck with the system.
- darthinvidious@lemmy.worldEnglish21 hours
So they’re coming to terms that nobody wants to buy what is basically the same kind of phone now a days for higher price… and so now they want to scam people by “upgrading” to what they think will be cheaper when in reality, it’s probably not…
- FatVegan@leminal.spaceEnglish13 hours
My last few phones were super cheap kinda no name phones that i just debloated. My phones usually crack because of work or whatever. Now i bought a used pixel 10 to install custom firmware on it, and thought that i’m on the edge of techonology now for the first time in 10 years. Lik idk. It’s maybe a bit faster and the fotos are better… Perhaps?
some subscriptions are fine though, like email or a vpn.
you could argue there should be no need for a vpn but… it is what it is
- GaumBeist@lemmy.mlEnglish23 hours
Services as subscriptions: fine. They are ongoing agreements that require an unspecifiable amount of labor, it makes sense to pay as you go.
Subscription goods? Fuck that. If I am in posession of it and responsible for maintaining it in a specific state of operation and quality, I basically own it anyway.
Charging me monthly for a pocket-sized computer with the added stipulations that the seller gets to dictate what I’m allowed to do with it, probably installs spyware on it (on top of the OEM and OS spyware), and if I break it (or otherwise violate the terms of use) I have to buy it anyway and they still get to keep it? They’ve basically reinvented a mix of payphones and library PCs, but more invasive and more expensive
- Delta_V@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
If your current plan is to buy the latest and greatest phone today, sell it in two years, and then buy a new top of the line phone, then Apple’s new lease program looks like an attractive option. They’ve priced it such that, over the course of the lease, you end up paying about the cost of purchasing the phone minus its resale value. Leasing looks convenient because it saves you from having to find a buyer.
It also keeps phones out of the secondary market, which benefits Apple. Off lease phones are used for warranty replacements, or sold as refurbished through official storefronts instead of person to person.
- willington@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish23 hours
Once Apple’s leasing program kills off a competing used phone market, they can also raise the cost of the lease to reflect that, which also benefits Apple over the longer term.
Apple would be stupid not to try leasing their phones.
- GamingChairModel@lemmy.worldEnglish19 hours
There’s always going to be a robust used market for phones that were purchased outright, to be resold on a different cycle than every 2 years (plenty of rich people changing phones every year, and plenty of people replacing on a 3, 4, 5, or 6 year cycle). You can expect the market to basically settle on a curve where it depreciates along a predictable rate.
Leases don’t really change that, any more than leases changed the market for used cars, or even certified pre-owned by the same dealers and organized by the same manufacturers who sell new cars.
There will be times that the predefined lease terms will unexpectedly prove to be either beneficial or detrimental to the consumer. Sometimes external factors will affect the entire used market, like currency issues, or component pricing issues (imagine if RAM prices dramatically swing again for new devices in a way that affects the value of the already-sold devices out in the world), where the predefined lease prices turn into a windfall for someone. Like in 2021 or so when expiring car leases allows the lessee to buy out the car at the end of the lease for much cheaper than the car itself was worth.
It’s generally going to be a less than ideal financial decision to lease, but it also won’t collapse the used device market and it won’t be that far off the practice of selling your old phone when you buy a new one.
- 13 hours
Yeah I generally switch every 5 years or so, and my old phone generally just rots away in a drawer. Leasing might actually make sense for use cases like mine (or not, I haven’t looked at the numbers). Might also give me less anxiety about accidentally scratching the thing.
- testaccount372920@piefed.zipEnglish2 days
The way I read that title: Apple and Samsung stopped innovating, now sales aren’t growing, so it’s time for enshittification.
- 13 hours
Samsung added a 10x telephoto lens and i was excited to finally get that over the regular 2x or 3x of the time.
Then they stopped making them and went back to 5x.
This phone still works great
Subscriptions were supposed to replace cable, then software, then heated seats, now phones. Funny how every innovation somehow ends with paying forever. If your business model needs me renting hardware I already carry everywhere, maybe the product isn’t improving fast enough to justify buying it?
