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12 daysThey threw balloons over the fence to weaken concrete with Salt, Acetic Acid, Peroxide, and acrylic paint at some bare concrete and steel where a facility is going to be built.
I feel like the guy with the paint didn’t understand the memo.
I feel like none of these things will actually weaken concrete, unless it’s being added to the concrete mix itself.
The concrete is actually highly acidic but the outer layer cures to become alkaline and the two layers together end up becoming water resistant, so by adding acid to the surface it can lose its water repellent capability and weaken faster.
If the concrete were sealed with a wax or an acrylic then Acetone would also be effective.
Oh really? I honestly never considered that possibility and always thought of concrete as a kind of inert “stone,” I find this legitimately interesting.
- Rioting Pacifist@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
My understanding is that the genius of such attacks is they don’t actually have to do the damage but if there’s the fear of chemical damage you don’t want to build the rest of a building on top of it.
- [deleted]@piefed.worldEnglish12 days
That would be a great reason to announce the damage as well, which they did.
- CADmonkey@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
This right here is the answer. The possibility that the concrete cure was all or partially disrupted can mean the concrete has to go away and be re-poured.
Walls aren’t up yet, just an empty foundation and some steel beams.
- perviouslyiner@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
Just needs a supply of
Dioxygen difluorideChlorine trifluoride [ref] which when spilled in large quantities “burned its way through a foot of concrete floor and chewed up another meter of sand and gravel beneath”- CADmonkey@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
A quick visit to wikipedia gives me this lovely paragraph which makes me nervous:
The other main property of this unstable compound is it’s oxidizing power, although most experimental reactions have been conducted near -100 °C (173 K). Several experiments with the compound resulted in a series of fires and explosions. Some of the compounds that produced violent reactions with O2F2 include ethyl alcohol, methane, ammonia, and even water ice.
Flourine is really scary stuff. If we’re going to toss some FOOF at the concrete, we could also use ClF3. Clorine Triflouride is another angry oxidizer that I’m pretty sure is hypergolic with sand of all things.
- jpreston2005@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
Might not be the best way to do it, but hey, they’re doing something. I’m proud of them.
- TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish12 days
This organization is so insanely dumb.
So what now, if they didn’t clean it up they might have to replace small patches of concrete in 5 to 10 years. But if they cleaned it up the next day, there’s barely any harm done.
Previous action of them was blocking trains to protest climate change. You know, the big metal tubes running on electricity. The highly efficient alternative to combustion engine cars.
Whats next, chaining themselves onto solar panels? On windmill turbines? Like I said before, they are so fucking dumb.
Just wait for the data center to be finished and throw some molotovs. FFS.
- coredev@programming.devEnglish12 days
Maybe it’s not about the actions themselves but raising public awareness for an issue. And as such they have obviously succeeded.
Destroy a bit of concrete = fairly big media coverage but probably just minor fines
Destroy a whole DC = very big media coverage but also probably many years in prison
But what do I know, I’m sure that I’m also insanely dumb.
- TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish11 days
but also probably many years in prison
You can just 3D print a drone or buy one on AliExpress and fly and deploy thermite bombs on those centers. As long as you don’t have fingerprints on any of it and deploy it covertly you should be fine. Go without your phone and cycle. Fly some drones in, then get the fuck out.
If Ukraine can take out a 3 million dollar tank with a 150 dollar drone, then so can you.
Maybe it’s not about the actions themselves but raising public awareness for an issue.
You’re not going to achieve the goal you want when you just make fun of yourself. People won’t take you serious when you’re just a laughing stock. And you probably achieve the oposite: people don’t want to be affiliated with those idiots in any way.
This is the same with veganism. Because some terror vegans made fun of themselves by acting like fucking idiots, veganism now has a bad name. Many people refuse to even think about what they are actually doing when eating meat “because fuck those stupid vegans, right?”. While all this time those vegans have valid points. But because they don’t know how to sell it properly, all they achieve is opposition and hate.
Extinction Rebellion consists of exactly those vegans.
Like I said before, they blocked trains to protest climate change.
I know many leftist activists in The Netherlands. They all do a major facepalm when you say the words Extinction Rebellion. Even the left, with the same goals and values, can’t take them serious and hate them for giving the left a bad name.
- LePoisson@lemmy.worldEnglish11 days
I’m not the person you’re replying to, I’m even not disagreeing with the premise as a thing so much as I am saying not gonna happen.
Having said that … Oh right the famously easy to get thermite bombs.
Also a lot of security you’d need to do to make it so you’re not traced back with a digital footprint to AliExpress and/or sites that served those 3d printable drone files.
Not to mention procuring all the other parts for the drone probably will leave a trace too. Maybe you could pay cash at a hobby shop some towns away for the servos and motors and such.
Plus you need to then get the equipment to fly it and modify the drone to carry munition.
Which brings us back to the super easy to get thermite bombs …
Your post can’t be a serious suggestion. It did give me a good chuckle though so I appreciate that.
