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3 months

‘Phantom Twist’: US team designs drone that spins to achieve near-invisibility

news.northwestern.edu English

cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/tech/p/1273531/phantom-twist-us-team-designs-drone-that-spins-to-achieve-near-invisibility

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    New spinning drone hides in plain sight
    news.northwestern.edu
    Like a propeller, new drone spins too fast for the human eye to see clearly. It’s about 10 times less visually perceptible than a conventional quadcopter.
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    • Cocodapuf@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3 months

      I don’t know how they control pitch and roll, as far as I can see it has no control surfaces and just one motor, so it can’t do variable thrust…

      Pretty impressive feat truth be told.

      • ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3 months

        Two things, how do you mount a camera, and how do you control it if there’s no front.

        So far, it’s an AI-designed toy.

          • Cocodapuf@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3 months

            Well I’m also curious about how to mount a camera, sounds tricky. And if you do use some kind of swivel mount for a stable camera, well that breaks the whole “invisible” thing. Although alternatively, you could just mount it spinning, take 360 degree video.

            But to be clear this was human designed with some AI assistance. I think it’s a bit insulting to call this “AI designed”, that took skilled engineers.

              • ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3 months

                Yes they did provide the spec, algos, models etc but I was specifically referring to the design:

                “The design process was fully automated,” Rubenstein said. “Then, when we were confident that a drone met all our criteria, we built it.”

                I didn’t mean it as a slur, just a quick descriptor. I don’t think there have been any considerations towards practical use (eg. vision, directionality, control, sound), which is why I called it a toy.

              • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3 months

                Mount the camera anywhere and just time the framerate to the spin rate. Going to need some sensor capable of quick capture speeds with high ISO to avoid blur.

              • 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘@infosec.pubEnglish
                3 months

                Oh, great. Horrors beyond my imagination.

                  • hume_lemmy@lemmy.caEnglish
                    3 months

                    Be not afraid…

                  • AppleMango@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    3 months

                    I feel bad for the people on the developing team who had no idea this may be used for surveillance

                      • brendansimms@lemmy.worldEnglish
                        3 months

                        here is a quote from the abstract they submitted for the competition: “In a wide variety of settings, awareness of a robot’s presence can negatively impact its effectiveness or the validity of the data it collects. Robots deployed for inspection, environmental monitoring, or human–robot interaction may distract, disturb, or otherwise alter the behavior of nearby humans, animals, or other systems simply through their sensed presence. These effects can bias observations, reduce task performance, and limit deployment in sensitive environments. Minimizing the influence of a robot on its surroundings enables closer ob- servation of natural behavior, more reliable interaction, and broader applicability of robotic systems in real-world settings.”

                        • jsnfwlr@lemmy.mlEnglish
                          3 months

                          If they didn’t think of it as a possibility during their research, they should be ashamed of themselves.

                        • pikl@lemmy.worldEnglish
                          3 months

                          How do you even convince yourself to build something like this.

                            • REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish
                              3 months

                              AI. It was AI design, they tried to build it and it worked.

                            • PierceTheBubble@lemmy.mlEnglish
                              3 months

                              … drones often alter natural behavior simply because people or animals notice them. The disruption can cause wildlife to scatter and people to behave differently.

                              Ah yes, humans in their natural habitat: blissfully unaware to the fact that their every move is being monitored, mocking the “tin foil hatter” trying to convince them otherwise.

                              • Eczpurt@lemmy.worldEnglish
                                3 months

                                It would be hard to spot but it sounds like you’d always know it’s there.

                                  • ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.worldEnglish
                                    3 months

                                    As soon as I turned on the video, I was like, I want to kill these giant mosquitos immediately. Give me a baseball bat rn. Invisible or not, they’re mine. What is it with people making the most annoying shit

                                    • troybot@piefed.socialEnglish
                                      3 months

                                      It will be hard to hear the sound from the drones because the data center controlling them will be even louder

                                        • kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                                          3 months

                                          Are data centers loud on the outside? The ones I’ve been inside were not but they were smaller sites.

                                      • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.netEnglish
                                        3 months

                                        The work eventually could lead to drones that monitor wildlife, survey the environment and inspect infrastructure with less visual disruption.

                                        Ah yes these are the reasons people would want drones that are hard to see, and there are absolutely no others.

                                          • Siethron@lemmy.worldEnglish
                                            3 months

                                            Alfred Nobel is rolling in his grave.

                                              • mPony@lemmy.worldEnglish
                                                3 months

                                                he’s rolling so fast he’s nearly invisible

                                                • a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.worldEnglish
                                                  3 months

                                                  His work killed a bunch of people in his factories over the course of years, then even more with military applications.

                                                    • Siethron@lemmy.worldEnglish
                                                      3 months

                                                      Yes and he came to regret and hate what his works were used for, hence the reference here. Scientists may be making something for what the believe are benign reasons and with good intentions but the inventions will definitely be used for more oppressive things.

                                                  • Dave.@aussie.zoneEnglish
                                                    3 months

                                                    Next minute, here comes that sweet DARPA grant.

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